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than ‘Mutual Joy.’” Clearly identify the author’s thesis and supporting
arguments—Gagnon’s “they say.” Be specific. Use examples from the text in your
response to substantiate your claim.
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ReplyDeleteGagnon says, "Miller contends that Jesus provides no support for a traditional view of marriage because Jesus was single and preached indifference to earthly attachments---especially family". When speaks about Miller's opinion on same sex marriage, I completely disagree with her because it's all in the Bible. The Bible only speaks about the truth and the truth only.
ReplyDeleteThe second half of Dr. Gagnon's article is mainly about what Jesus has to say about the topic of homosexuality. Contrary to what Miller says, Jesus does not talk about homosexuality specifically, but it is implied when he talks about sexual sin.
ReplyDeleteDr. Gagnon's point through the second part of his article is to get across what Jesus has to say about homosexuality. In a way Miller is correct in saying that the Bible doesn't say anything about homosexuality. However it is very well implied that it is wrong in the same ways the incest and bestiality are wrong.
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ReplyDeleteGagnon disagrees on what Miller says about Jesus not really “defining” a traditional marriage, he goes on by saying, “Jesus meant the exact opposite”, which means that he completely disagrees with what Miller said in her article. Mainly Gagnon disagrees with what Miller says about Jesus all together, when she says “Jesus never mentions homosexuality”, Gagnon bites back by saying, “Jesus regards the act as a supreme sexual offense.” Gagnon talks a lot about the Jews and there way of life then and how that homosexuality wasn’t even really a ‘thing’ back then. He then starts giving examples (numbering them 1-10) on Jesus that proves he felt negatively towards homosexuality. Gagnon concludes in his article that Miller and Meacham should have done a better attempt to at least understand the Scripture and do more research. His Thesis is that all believers in Christ should try their very best at preventing people from misinterpreting the bible like Miller did so much of.
Dr. Gagnon in the second half of his article “More than ‘Mutual Joy’: Lisa Miller of Newsweek against Scripture and Jesus” talks about his second component of his response to Lisa Miller; a discussion of Jesus’ witness. In this half he describes what Jesus talks about and points out how Miller takes Jesus’ words the wrong way. Jesus doesn't explicitly talk about homosexuality and incest and bestiality because in the first century Jewish community it was just known that these practices were forbidden and because of that Jesus knew that it didn't need to be mentioned. He talked so strongly on divorce/remarriage because, “ it, along with lust of the heart, was a remaining loop hole in the law of Moses that needed to be closed.” Jesus needed to close that remaining loop hole because people could jump through that to have many women. Miller also says in her article that Jesus was “inclusive” about sexual matters where Gagnon says, “He took an already carefully circumscribed sexual ethic given to him in the Hebrew Bible and narrowed it even further…” which means that Jesus took what was already given in the Bible about sexual ethic and took it further saying that its not just an outward showing but an inward looking of the heart. Scripture specifically states that Jesus spoke make not explicitly about homosexuality but it is implied that He believes its a sin.
ReplyDeleteThe second half of Gagnon's "More Than 'Mutual Joy'" article talks about Jesus' view towards marriage and homosexuality. Gagnon quotes "Miller contends that Jesus provides no support for a "traditional" view of marriage because 'Jesus was single and preached indifference to earthly attachments--- especially family.'" Gagnon believes that one could opt out of a male-female marital bond but the only other option would be to not have any sexual relations. He explains that consequently for Jesus the alternative to marriage between a man and a woman is abstinence from sexual relations, not a radical reconfiguration of the definition of marriage. Dr. Gagnon does get into talking about homosexuality. He states that Jesus doesn't have to mention homosexual practice because for 1 there is no Jew in first-century Palestine known to be engaging in it and 2 because there is no Jew advocating for the acceptance of homosexual relations. He completely disagrees with Millers beliefs for homosexuality.
ReplyDeleteGagnon writes in the second part of „More than „Mutual Joy“: Lisa Miller of Newsweek against Scripture and Jesus“ about his completely different point of view about the topics: “The Witness of Jesus” and at the end his “[c]oncluding thoughts”. In “[t]he [w]itness of Jesus” he goes into detail with Jesus and the “Creation Texts”. Especially he confutes “Miller’s [argument] about the ‘Sexually Inclusive’ Jesus”. In his “[c]oncluding thoughts”, he summarized his comment and criticizes once more Lisa Miller and everybody who supports her arguments for homosexuality.
ReplyDeleteGagnon makes the point that “Jesus doesn’t have to mention homosexual practice explicitly because (1) there is no Jew in first-century Palestine known to be engaging in it; and 2 there is no Jew advocating for the acceptance of homosexual relations.” Jesus dealt with their sin problems that they were having then not the problems we are having now. If Jesus would’ve dealt with homosexuality back then the Jews would’ve been confused because they didn’t have that sin problem. This is the reason Jesus didn’t deal with sexual purity because his audience was Jewish. Paul was the one that dealt with sexual purity because his audience was Gentile. Gagnon adds “It was simply not necessary for Jesus to give any explicit attention to homosexual practice.” Just because Jesus didn’t mention homosexual practice doesn’t mean he doesn’t care about it. Miller’s whole essay “Mutual Joy” is incredibly misinformed. We as Christians need to take a stand against the government’s choices of homosexuality. God opposes it so we should too.
ReplyDeleteGagnon in the second half of his article mainly gives examples and tell us what Jesus says about the subject. In a paragraph he says "he frequently off with the issue of sexual morality and warned converts that persistent sexual immorality could get them excluded from the kingdom of God and eternal life." He gives examples and then tells us the consequences of doing such actions.
ReplyDeletethe second half of Gagnons article is about Jesus' perspective of homosexuality. Gagnon says, " jesus doesn't have to mention homosexual practice explicitly because there is no jew in first-century Palestine known to be engaging in it; and there is no jew advocation for the acceptance of homosexual relations." the reason why there isn't anything mentioned in the bible is because the title homosexuality is relatively new. there wasn't such thing recorded in the bible.
ReplyDeleteIn the second half of the article More than “Mutual Joy”: Lisa Miller of Newsweek against Scripture and Jesus, author Dr. Robert Gagnon confronts the many problems in Lisa Miller’s article titled “Our Mutual Joy” from the December 15, 2008 issue of Newsweek. Beginning on page thirteen Dr. Gagnon continues disproving all of Miller’s arguments starting with her statement of “Jesus provides no support for a “traditional” view of marriage…” then providing nine examples from Miller’s article in which she was incorrect. Dr. Gagnon quickly begins referencing scripture that has to do with marriage, including passages from Genesis, Matthew, Mark, and Luke. In Miller’s article she also states that Jesus is “inclusive” about sexual matters. In which Gagnon responds with “to move, as Miller does, from the fact that Jesus reached out to sexual sinners to the conclusion that Jesus was not really concerned about “what happens in the bedroom: is to misread completely Jesus’ message and mission.” I completely agree with Dr. Gagnon’s statement. In her article it was very distinct that Miller was one-sided and did not do any deep research on the matter. Dr. Gagnon concludes with stating that Miller and Jon Meacham, Newsweek managing editor, “only have one objective; namely, to intimidate Jews and Christians who appeal to Scripture for their opposition to homosexual practice. Such persons must either shut up or else be treated as the ignorant religious bigots that Miller and and Meacham claim them to be.”
ReplyDeleteGagnon explains in the second part of his essay what Jesus says about homosexual practice. Gagnon says that Miller said that jesus never talks about homosexual relations, but back in Jesuss' day they never had a word or phrase for homosexuality. Jesus doesn't specifically talk about homosexual relations, he mainly talked about divorce. Even though Jesus never really talked about homosexuality it is implied that he thinks its a sin and that people shouldn't do it.
ReplyDeleteGagnon begins this section talking about the prerequisite of male-female marriage. He takes this part of his response to dissect and disprove Miller's arguments about homosexuality versus Jesus and the Bible. He starts by attacking the topics of singleness and divorce/remarriage. Explaining that "one could opt out of a male-female marital bond, as Jesus himself did." Gagnon is saying that you can be single, but that also means not having any sexual relations. Towards the end of the response Gagnon lists more evidence of Jesus' negative stance on homosexuality. In his concluding thoughts, Gagnon goes back to insulting Miller for her article saying: "it is ridiculous for Miller to claim that the Bible supplies her with the 'universal truths' that mandate 'gay marriage'." He also refers to her reasoning as "sloppy".
ReplyDeleteIn the second part of Dr. Gagnon's article "More than 'Mutual Joy'" it describes more about Jesus's point of view towards traditional marriage and homosexual marriage. Gagnon claims that Jesus did have a lot to say about the marriage topic while Miller claims that Jesus rarely ever mentioned marriage in Scripture. "Miller conveniently ignores the fact that Jesus felt so strongly about male-female prerequisite for valid sexual relations in the context of marriage that he even predicated his insistence on martial 'twoness.'" Gagnon's main point in the second part of his article is to explain that Jesus DID have a message towards traditional marriage and how it should always be a traditional marriage.
ReplyDeleteIn the second half of Dr.Gagnon article "More than 'Mutual Joy'" We see Gagnon angry with not only Miller but the magazine that published this article due to its lack of research. We also see Millers views on sexuality and Gagnon points out a lot of her opinions in this article. In closing the article we see Gagnon fighting her writing on the topic of Gods views of marriage.
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ReplyDeleteThe second half of Dr. Gagnon’s article speaks on the behalf of what Jesus says about homosexuality. At same time, Dr. Gagnon is still talking down about Millers view points and as he quotes, pg. thirteen, “Miller conveniently ignores the fact that Jesus felt so strongly about a male-female…etc.” He disagrees with every point she makes about what Jesus says about Homosexuality. He also does not think that her resources are accurate to prove anything.
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