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argument. Where do they agree, disagree, or agree/disagree in part? In your paragraph response, use summary, paraphrase, and quotations—from each source. Be specific.
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Joel J. Miller and Dr. Butterfield agree on the fact that the issue of “homosexuality” is that it has moved from being a verb to a noun or a self identifying idea. Butterfield explains that, “with this grammatical move, a new concept of humanity was born…” So basically humans now identify themselves as either homosexual or heterosexual instead of identifying themselves with God. This has moved from an act to a lifestyle and Miller explains that the idea of psychotherapy was invented and took the place of what God says. Miller explains that Freud (who Butterfield also talked about in her book) was, “no fan of the faith” and he was the one whoo introduced this idea of human sexuality as an identity. The idea of psychoanalysis is that it helps people get rid of something that is “wasteful” to humans and rather asks questions like, “Does x make you happy? If so then it’s probably good.” Miller explains that, “Ww made truth s question of outcomes.” Rather than sticking our truth were it needs to be. Both Miller and Butterfield agree that society has changed the meaning of what “homosexual” means and that the society has become one that basically says you should do what ever makes you happy. The whole debate is centred around same-sex marriage where its actually about the question of identity and how we can shift it back to Christ.
ReplyDeleteMiller and Butterfield agree on the fact that the topic of homosexuality has changed from being a verb to a noun or way of self identifying. Butterfield states that "with this grammatical move, a new concept of humanity was born." she says this because with this new way of identifying as homosexual or heterosexual we no long simply identify ourself with God. similar to Butterfield, miller believes that this has moved from an act to a lifestyle. the idea pf psychotherapy has replaced the word of God. Miller says that Freud was " no fan of the faith". Freud was the one who introduced the idea of human sexuality as an identity.
ReplyDeleteBoth Butterfield and Miller agree that the topic of homosexuality has changed to a way of identifying yourself and who you are. Butterfield believes that identifying ourselves s homosexual or heterosexual is wrong and that we need to identify ourselves with god instead. Miller believes that identifying ourselves as homosexual or heterosexual has become more of a lifestyle and that the idea has replaced the truth that God tells us.
ReplyDeleteMiller and Butterfield both agree that gay marriage was a relatively rapid thing that came on us. Miller writes, “We all have recollections ranging from vague to crystal clear that even progressives such as President Obama and Hillary Clinton opposed gay marriage only a short while ago”. Butterfield believes the same thing when she says, “Prior to the nineteenth century category-invention of sexual orientation, no one’s sexual practice or sexual desire prescribed personhood or defined their personal identity.” Both of these quotes from the authors show that the gay movement or “sexual orientation” movement took place less than 100 years ago. It was a very rapid shift especially when we redefined sexuality. We quit describing it as a verb and started using it as a noun for people.
ReplyDeleteMiller and Butterfield have a similar tone, loving and understanding, but they're message is different. Butterfield argues that homosexuality is against what God says is right. Miller on the other hand says that the Bible does not say anything about homosexuality being wrong. They agree on the fact that the idea of sexual orientation is a relatively new concept.
ReplyDeleteJoel J. Miller and Dr. Rosaria Butterfield agree in several points, for example in relating to Freud. Both are thinking, that “Freud was not a fan of faith” (Miller). Butterfield shows this with goal to “radically resituate sexuality from its biblical/creational context”. Miller and Butterfield pointed out, that the word “sexuality” got a new meaning. Its general meaning is based on the “people” and not anymore on the practice. People are getting judged by their sexuality. The disagreements of both are that Butterfield thinks the psychoanalysis is totally against religion and cannot be combined. But in Miller’s opinion, psychoanalysis are looking for the same goal, “religion and psychoanalysis have at heart the same intention”. And they disagree in the point, how this change in the view of people to homosexuality and sexual orientation happened. Miller thinks “what’s left of the traditional Christian understanding of human design and destiny”, while Butterfield is thinks about, “why, say, biblical marriage is a God designed creation ordinance and a living reflection of Christ and the church and not merely a man-made convenience”.
ReplyDeleteButterfield and Miller are talking about the topic which is gay marriage. They both have different tones. Miller's tone is calm, and Butterfield's tone is very assertive. Butterfield speaks about her gay lifestyle and then turning her life around by becoming a child of God. Miller on the other hand is talking about the Bible and how there isn't any type of evidence of gay marriage being a big deal.
ReplyDeleteIn the book Openness Unhindered and the article Why the gay marriage debate was over in 1950 authors Dr. Rosaria Butterfield and Joel Miller discuss the fact that for many homosexuality is now an identity instead of a sexual orientation. Butterfield states “Sexuality has moved from a verb (practice) to noun (people), and with this grammatical move, a new concept of humanity was born- the idea that we are oriented or framed by our sexual desires… and that self-representation and identity rooted now in sexual orientation…” (Butterfield 97) Within the same chapter Butterfield references to Freud, who first used the concept of sexual orientation and how it could determine and define human identity. In Miller’s article he also discusses how Freud was “no fan of faith” and how during that time “Religion, morality, even reality were now questions of self-fulfillment- making truth subjective and traditional truth claims irrelevant and meaningless.” Which is similar to what Butterfield says on page 95 that states “The Romantic period is typified by an uncontested embrace of personal experience…” The battle of sexual orientation and finding our identity began in the 1950’s when America’s views and values began to change. Miller concludes his article with “The rapid turn on same-sex marriage wasn’t rapid… The battle wasn’t over marriage. It was over what’s left on the traditional Christian understanding of human design and destiny.” which perfectly sums up the point from both authors.
ReplyDeleteButterfield and Miller both share a very loving tone. However, they both recommend different views. Miller tells that the Bible gives no opinion on homosexuality. While Dr. Butterfield states the homosexuality is against the word of God and is spoken about several times in the Bible.
ReplyDeleteButterfield and Miller both agree on the fact that homosexuality has changed the way people identify themselves. In Butterfield's case she uses her book and tone to show people that the Gay and Lesbian life style is not the right way to live in a loving way. Miller on the other hand uses her article to be as laid back as possible and tell readers that the bible gives no word of advice on being gay or lesbian.
ReplyDeleteMiller and Butterfield agree that people are now identifying their selves as homosexuality. Butterfield is trying to reach out and tell people that its not ok because that's not how God made you to be. Her tone as she expresses her point is very concerned and sincere. And Buttterfield quotes, "I believe that using the gay to modify Christian dishonors God." Butterfield, again, is saying that this action is not ok. Lisa on the other is saying that the bible says nothing about homosexuality or being "gay". She expresses her argument in a loving tone. And Lisa quotes, "Sex between women has never, even in biblical times, raised as much ire." Lisa, again is saying that the bible says nothing about having a gay identity.
ReplyDeleteDr. Butterfield and Miller both share very identical thoughts on a few things. The two both agree that in today's society the word/term "gay" has been in a way remade to me something completely different. They both also agree on that fact that people today use homosexuality as identifying themselves and others. Even though the two have similar thoughts they do have different tones throughout their texts. Dr. Butterfields tone is assertive while Miller is more peaceful and compassionate. They both also talk on gay marriage and how it's becoming a big situation in today's generation.
ReplyDeleteRosaria Butterfield and Joel Miller are both agreeing with each other on the topic of homosexuality. They both agree to the fact that it has changed its ways in modern day society. How people treat it, where it came from, and why. Dr. Butterfield and Miller are just pointing out the facts about this catastrophe in our world view ignorance about sexual identity and sexual orientation towards homosexuals and bisexuals.
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